i love the way he is frank, straightforward, he says what he thinks. and he's just practical and pragmatic, and speaks with a lot of common sense. >> van, to me, it's a bit of a nonissue. i think he's a very popular guy, and even today. i can imagine many americans watching his reaction going, good for you. take her down. >> i can understand that. everybody loves this governor right now. he's fresh, he's frank. i think he has to be a little careful. he didn't have to attack her motives, call her a hack, tell her to shut up. those kinds of things may play well at this stage of his career. but you start thinking about, do you want a commander in chief who -- when a doctor makes the observation that frankly every american has made, can this guy actually pull this office? can he do it? can he physically do it? my doctor has told me, watch your weight, he calls her a hack.